CIP-187: City Hall

Latest version - 13 Sept 2023

Outline

  1. Video summary
  2. Budget / business model
  3. CIP Full text
  • Overview
  • Budget
  • Team
  • Property Selection
  • FAQ
  • 90 Day Plan
  • Post-close
  • Property Multisig

Overview

This CIP authorizes the purchase of a multi-functional space in Denver, Colorado that will serve prominently as CityDAO’s City Hall. The space will be collectively owned by CityDAO and available for Citizens to co-work in, serving as a home base for Citizens to build especially during ETH Denver.

The space can be opened up (or rented out) for events, hackathons, build weeks, and used as co-working to achieve a sustainable business model. This CIP allows for the acquisition of the property but does not force CityDAO to acquire one or operate any specific activities.

Potential Uses & Benefits

Once acquired, the following uses can be immediately considered:

  • Flexible co-working space for Citizens - the “City Hall” for CityDAO.
  • Community events, hackathons, and educational programs.
  • Develop local partnerships and sponsorships.
  • Any other community-led initiatives that align with CityDAO’s values and objectives.
  • Citizen Benefits where permitted

By securing the property, this CIP provides CityDAO with the flexibility to explore various optional avenues for community engagement, innovation, and revenue generation, as deemed fit and approved by the DAO’s governance mechanisms.

Budget:

Total Allocation: $1,630,000

  • Property Cost: Up to $1.5M
    • Released by multisig upon final property selection
  • Operating Expenses Reserve Fund: $100k (property taxes, utilities, maintenance, other operating related expenses)
    • Released by multisig upon final property selection
  • Project Budget: $30k (travel, legal, brokers, furnishing, etc)
    • Released by multisig upon passage of this CIP
    • If we the full Property Cost is not spent, up to 10% of the extra funds may be allocated to the OpEx Reserve Fund
  • Flexible allocation
    • The budget outlined is based on current estimates and while it will not exceed 1.63m, may be re-allocated within these categories based on actual needs and unforeseen circumstances. Upon approval from the multisig signatories, the team may redistribute funds between budget categories (Property Cost, Operating Expenses Reserve Fund, Project Budget) up to a limit of 10% of the total allocation without requiring an amendment to this CIP.

Project Team:

This project is fundamentally a DAO-driven initiative and CityDAO citizens retain the ultimate authority and responsibility for the project. While the DAO provides oversight and final approvals, a dedicated Project Team is in place to execute on the DAO’s directives and manage day-to-day operations. The Project Team serves as an extension of CityDAO, carrying out the technical, operational, and strategic tasks necessary to bring the project to fruition.

Team Members:

Scott: Lead Coordinator

Roles: Property tours, broker liaison, contract management, and other necessary duties.

Lyons: Strategy & Operations

Roles: Community engagement, space utilization, and other necessary duties.

Specialists: Legal advisors, property managers, and architects

Roles: To be hired from the project budget as needed.

HQ Task Force: Community Liaisons

Roles: Real-time updates, property vetting, and community feedback

Note: While the Project Team will endeavor to select and operate the best possible space, there are no guarantees concerning the quality of the space, revenue generation, or specific use of the space.

Property Selection:

Selection Criteria:

  • Convenient access from ETH Denver venues
  • Newer or remodeled construction that is low maintenance
  • Size and layout conducive for co-working and events
  • High quality space with good natural light

Selection Process:

Here is a sample selection process and criteria: Property Selection Process and Criteria

While the criteria and sample process outlined are designed to guide the property selection towards the most favorable outcome for CityDAO and its members, it is understood that unique opportunities and challenges may arise. Therefore, the Project Team reserves the right to adjust these parameters as deemed necessary for the benefit of the project and community.

Sample Properties

821 22nd St, Denver, CO 80205

1641 California St, Denver, CO 80202

5134 W 29th Ave, Denver, CO 80212

90 Day Plan - Tentative Sample

0-30 days: After the CIP passes, a search will immediately begin for properties. Scott, Lyons, and other interested Citizens will fly out to Denver and tour properties to get a feel for the market and our options. The initial $30k will be converted to fiat for travel to Denver, broker fees, and in preparation for making a deposit. We’ll start sharing our favorite properties with Citizens in Discord.

30-60 days: Narrow down the list of properties. Record video tours of the properties, do diligence and put together a plan on the estimated costs and benefits of owning each of the properties. For each property, we will compile a report, video tour, and share them for feedback with the DAO.

60-90 days: If a promising property is identified, we will present it to the DAO on a community call for feedback, questions, and comments. After identifying one we are excited about, we will ask the DAO to do an informal “temp check” vote on that property (not a CIP). If the vote passes, the multisig will offramp up to $1.5m for purchase of the property and transfer $100k in reserve funds to

the Property Multisig.

Post-close

After closing on the property, we will plan a CityDAO Build Week where we will invite citizens to come set up the space and help with furnishing, signage, and decorations. We will also try to involve remote Citizens who cannot attend in person for things like design and ideas for the space. Budget permitting, we can subsidize travel and lodging for interested Citizens.

Property Governance and Oversight Multisig

After acquisition, the property will be overseen by a multisig consisting of Scott, Lyons, and one independent member appointed by the CityDAO Multisig or CityDAO Council if the CIP authorizing its creation passes. They will steward the reserve funding in the multisig, from which they will handle things like property management, taxes, and ops hires. Property Multisig shall make best efforts to ensure the property is well kept and managed.

Contingency Plans

If City Hall is unable to sustain ongoing operations due to lack of revenue, management conflict,

or other unforeseen circumstances, then the property shall be sold and all funds returned to the CityDAO treasury.

Original text:

CityDAO CIP-187: City Hall | Overview from Vimeo.

Overview

This CIP authorizes the purchase of an office and event space in Denver, Colorado that will serve prominently as CityDAO’s City Hall. The space will be collectively owned by CityDAO and available for Citizens to co-work in for free, serving as a home base for Citizens to build especially during ETH Denver.

While not required, the space can be opened up (or rented out) for events, hackathons, build weeks, and used as co-working to achieve a sustainable business model. Lyons has expressed interest in helping make that possible, since he has already done some planning as part of the DAO Labs project.

Budget:

$1.630,000. Up to $1.5m for the property purchase, $100k in reserve for property taxes, utilities, and other expenses that may arise, and $30,000 for project expenses (like inviting Citizens to tour properties, legal expenses, furnishing the property if we close etc).

The $30k project budget will be converted to fiat immediately after passage of the proposal. The $1.5m + $100k will be converted to fiat after property selection.

Project Team:

Citizens will be involved along the entire way, from touring properties in Denver to helping furnish and decorate the space once we close on it. Scott will take responsibility for coordinating with brokers, organizing tours, signing paperwork, and doing a basic level of diligence on the properties, though he makes no guarantees about the condition or quality of the property (but will do his best to find an amazing space for Citizens). Scott will collaborate with Lyons who has laid some groundwork for running a space like this through the DAO Labs project.

Property Selection:

Upon passage of this CIP, Citizens who express interest in the project will be placed in an HQ Task Force channel and kept up to date with all happenings and invited to tour properties IRL (depending on # of citizens and budget) and virtually. Scott and Lyons will fly to Denver for 1-2 weeks to tour properties and other Citizens can also join for tours (budget permitting).

Scott will take advice and recommendations from the HQ Task Force in selecting the final property, sharing them for feedback and discussion in the Discord channel, and will then post the selected property on Snapshot for a full DAO vote (with no forum period or quorum, since this CIP already allocates the funds and approves a purchase).

Sample Properties:

Loopnet search:

FAQ:

This is a lot of money. Is it worth it?
I believe buying this space will create more momentum for CityDAO in the long run. The alternative is CityDAO continues to fund tiny projects and online-only initiatives that don’t build any lasting value or accomplish anything remarkable.

This will bring Citizens together IRL and be one of the most significant DAO-owned assets. Real estate is also a historically stable asset, and can be sold for cash if needed.

Why Denver?
Denver is the closest thing to the crypto capital, with the largest crypto conference ETH Denver happening there once a year. Denver also has reasonable property values at least compared to NYC and SF.

While Denver is not the perfect location for each of us individually, it is the optimal across all Citizens, since a large number of us have a reason to go to ETH Denver, there’s an international airport there, and Denver is the gateway to Wyoming (all flights to Cody, where Parcel 0 is, go through Denver)

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You’ve got my support on this 100%

Krause House has a Big3 League basketball team as a step towards buying an NBA team :basketball:

LinksDAO has their first golf course in Scotland as their step forward :golf:

CabinDAO has a few nodes set up as their steps forward :hut:

CityDAO nees a CityHall :city_sunrise:

Something we can all rally behind in a concrete way that moves us forward

I’ll help where I can and am available to come on-site for the property touring, whether I pay out-of-pocket or otherwise is fine by me :mechanical_arm: :star_struck:

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I support this. No more proposals to spend tens of thousands of dollars to research how CityDAO could be improved by writing a document about AI and tooling. Let’s buy land and work towards the use of NFTs for governance, like we intended all along.

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Full support. A few things.

  • With t0wn we looked at some places down there. I have a good contact especially related to things in and around ETH Denver. Also just happen to have a good friend down there who works in the tech sector and has tons of inside info on some cool places.
  • I believe that finding an amazing location is crucial, especially in Denver or in the US in general price can make it really tough. Like Empire, you can either rent a great place or buy one that’s not so great. This is where t0wn’s thinking comes into play; we are focusing on a multiple DAO crowdfund to obtain a really nice place. I value having a place that can be used immediately, and we should have learned from Parcel 0 that while purchasing a property for a proof of concept is acceptable, it may not necessarily be used. Thus, it’s important that we do this the right way and choose a location that will undoubtedly be utilized. It may require thinking outside the box to reach the price point, even if it exceeds the amount we currently have in the treasury. However, this is a topic for discussion.

Overall love the idea, and intent.

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You have my support.
The only question from me would be what to do with the 600k budget after buying hall.

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Appreciate the support @MemeBrains and @Da3vid. Agree that Cabin, Links, and KrauseHause all done a great job executing and now it’s our turn :slight_smile:

@ScottA Thanks for the support, and I think you are 100% correct that having a great place in a great location is key. I believe we’ll be able to find something great for $1.5m. It might not be 6 floors like EmpireDAO’s space, but initial research on LoopNet has surfaced great options in great locations.

@serkanbenol Any unused funds will return to the treasury.

Total support! Love this plan! I agree with many community members that it seems like a lot of money, maybe we should find a property with a smaller budget, this is nearly all of the treasury.

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I have a few concerns about the subject.

What is the real benefit of spending to much capital with no returns? To speak for myself, I probably will never be able to go to that place and benefit from it in person because of visa problems. If we need a place to call it “City Hall”, It should be in a country more accessible to all citizens. Yes, maybe we need some real space for gatherings, networking, or even marketing. But spending too much money on a building is a misuse of resources, imo.

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I support this. Once we own a building, I think it will open up some more interesting possibilities of how to use it and push the boundaries of real estate on chain, that will further exploration of CityDAO goals.

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I support buying IRL land and space to run a business that generates IRL income for CityDAO treasury, governed by our Citizens, with the goal of increasing CityDAO’s overall real estate holdings. Last time I took a stroll through the discord, I saw too many fluff pieces about doing some digital goods, metaverse b.s. and a lot of think pieces. CIP-187 gets back to basics. Buy profitable land, grow the real estate portfolio, build a real city, governed on-chain.

Denver is a great location and I support CIP-187. Will vote once I find the Snapshot link.

Thanks for the support!

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Hey Aranella. I just wanted to say that I appreciate this point. I’m involved with a CityDAO expansion project called t0wn and we’re investigating locations that might be outside the US. The challenge is to find a place that is affordable, satisifes a large number of citizens and has government stability in terms of eminent domain.

For CityDAO, as the mothership, I personally prefer our first location to be in the US - not because it’s the easiest place to get to - but because it’s a combination of the other two factors - reasonably affordable (so long as we don’t buy in NYC, LA or SF) and highly stable. Feel free to join our t0wn channel and discord and we can talk more if you have specific country recommendations. (https://www.t0wn.org/)

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Hey all,

I already explained my comments via dm but would be good to put some of them here so CityDAO would benefit and hopefully increase our awareness.

First, i also support the idea to have a web 3 house at US. Why ? After all, its like a capital to crypto and web 3 organizations. Plus, we started the journey there. So wht not ?

I would like to add some comments so maybe we can improve the CIP for good of CityDAO.

It will be great to see some financials ! But there is none here. We know that the proposal is 1.6 M, we know that the place would cost up to 1.5 M but there is no calculation for income and expenses. For expenses ; Furniture, operations, infrastructure, employees, energy, internet, others… How much for a month ? So if we buy the house for 1.5 M and pay expenses & taxes, after 3 months we will have another CIP for expenses ?

To prevent this, we need a business plan. Like, the place would be 1.2 M $ and the remaining will cover for 12 months (with details). Than, we will evaluate the whole thing and ask DAO whats next.

Do we have a field research ? Did we talk to community and get their feedbacks for this ? Who will use this place, how many events we have at Denver, how much for the rent and who are willing to pay ? etc…

What are the benefit for citizens if there are any ? Like, citizens are free to use the place with 3 friends any time they want.

There are some other minor topics but the ones above are kind of important (from my perspective). So it would be great to include them to the offer to encourage community.

tnx

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@simplepixellife I think it’s a fair point that we should put together a financial plan so that we can understand recurring costs and revenue potential.

I don’t want this project to be seen as me personally deciding everything that is happening and running at the space, ideally DAO members and the community can get involved and find partners who could pay to use the space, help decide what events the space would host, and set up a co-working membership program.

Before we move this proposal forward, I will put together a more detailed financial plan with @lyons800 that can outline:

  • base costs of upkeep (ex. internet, electricity, property taxes, maintenance)
  • revenue opportunities in different cases (like events, co-working, residency programs, etc)
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Don’t we have an option starting with renting a place? By this way, we have the chance to keep the treasury balance.

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hey @serkanbenol - thanks for the comments. I think renting a place will be hard to make work, because the property will need to make a lot of money to sustain itself. I don’t want to repeat EmpireDAO.

Owning gives us the flexibility to not need to cover an expensive lease payment so average Citizens can come use the space, host events, etc without us worrying about filling desks to cover the lease.

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Nice, waiting for more details before snapshot then

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Hey David. Thank you for your kind reply. As I mentioned before, I’m not against investing in a building called “City Hall”. Maybe it’s mandatory for creating momentum and needs to be done. My concerns are all about the same question: what will we do if the proposal is passed and the project somehow dies? We’ll be spending almost all of our treasury, and there will be nothing left. I believe if that happens, our momentum will be much more inverted.

If we call ourself as CityDAO, we should have an business plan and as @simplepixellife mentioned. Moreover, if we want to invest approximately $1.5 million in property, the income-expenditure balance needs to be very well analyzed and calculated and will be shared with all citizens. For me, this proposal just mentions the good things and says nothing about “Plan B” if something goes wrong. @scottfits gaves and example for EmpireDAO. Maybe the problem wasn’t that they rented the property; it was the idea of ​​the obtaining “property”. I can’t decide on this because I didn’t see any of the details in the proposal that would allow us to decide if this proposal makes sense or not. Like I said before, I’m not against the topic; I just want to see more details about it. Best regards,

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@aranella.eth - I updated the CIP to include contingency plans. Since the $1.5m would go into a real estate purchase, if things go south, we can sell the property and return the funds to the treasury.

CIP Updates

90 Day Plan

0-30 days: After the CIP passes, a search will immediately begin for properties. Scott, Lyons, and other interested Citizens will fly out to Denver and tour properties to get a feel for the market and our options. We’ll start sharing our favorite properties with Citizens.

30-60 days: Narrow down a final list of properties. Record video tours of the properties, do diligence and put together a plan on the estimated costs and benefits of owning each of the properties. For each property, we will compile a report, video tour, and share them for feedback with the DAO.

60-90 days: If a promising property is identified, we will present it to the DAO on a community call for feedback, questions, and comments. After identifying one we are excited about, we will ask the DAO to vote on that property.

Post-close

After closing on the property, we will host a CityDAO Build Week where we will invite citizens to come set up the space and help with furnishing, signage, and decorations. We will also try to involve remote Citizens who cannot attend in person for things like design and ideas for the space. If there are funds from the budget remaining, we can subsidize travel and lodging for interested Citizens in Discord.

Property Governance and Oversight Multisig

After acquisition, the property will be overseen by a multisig consisting of Scott, Lyons, and one independent member appointed by the CityDAO Multisig. The Property Multisig shall make best efforts to ensure the property is well kept and managed. The multisig will be responsible for day to day expenses like paying property taxes and property management. The reserve funds will be stored in a 2/3 multisig. Revenue from the property will replenish the Property Multisig up to $50k and any revenue above that will go to the CityDAO treasury.

Contingency Plans

If the project is unable to sustain ongoing operations due to lack of revenue, management conflict, or other unforeseen circumstances, then the property shall be sold and all funds returned to the CityDAO treasury.

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Let’s go to make it

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